In this podcast, experimental journalist and “new wave entheogenic explorer” Rak Razam interview the ESC’s Chief Advisor. Discussion ranged from whether Goldman Sachs executives should drink ayahuasca, if we need a Trip Advisor for ayahuasca retreat centers, and how to build consensus around sustainability and safety issues in the ayahuasca community.
Listen to the interview here or embedded below.
Here’s the “In a Perfect World” description of the episode:
As the Western resurgence in entheogenic shamanism grows, teething issues abound. The Enthnobotanical Stewardship Council is a new NGO dedicated to facilitating the safe and sustainable cultural use of ayahuasca, iboga and other plant sacraments. Here we chat about the need for a fair trade system for cultivating entheogens like ayahuasca, applying NGO standards to an emerging spiritual paradigm, navigating the huge political issues between curanderos, operators and the law, and the minefield of cultural and ethical considerations. How can the conservation of bio-diversity be balanced against the rapid growth of the shamanic community worldwide? What differences do sacred medicines make to running a Western NGO? Can shamanism be regulated into the Western experience without being commodified?
Check out Rak’s amazing “Aya: Awakenings” documentary here.
Here’s the trailer: